Does the EU still exist?

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:29 pm

Skylimit wrote:
Olivier wrote:Louis Michel told about the need for Europe of its own army!
Ah, you finally got to know him ...

Yes...

BossaNova · Post by **BossaNova** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:30 pm

Olivier wrote:
Skylimit wrote:
Olivier wrote: Bush JR is on the good way to do like his father... but with more collateral damages: a stronger anti-americanism all over the world, a scepticist GB, angry Arabs...
Bad work!
Nope, good work. More terrorism = more pre-emptive war !
I think they know what they are doing, and don't care about consequenses on their own citizins (a bit like Saddam)

unfortunetly that's true.. more terrorism ---> more fear ----> moer clear election victories

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:43 pm

Skylimit wrote:My best guess is that the EU-army will be an experiment from the founding members ... Benelux-France-Germany and Italy.
I doubt, even that the Netherlands and Italy would participate ...
France, Belgium and Germany are in for it.

I think Germany would participate also. There is already a franco-german soldier unity. GB and France are for such an european army!
Italy will follow if the 5 other foundating members do it, I guess...

Skylimit wrote: I think the enlargement of the EU was a big mistake !

I don't agree on it. I thought it first, but I have changed my mind. These countries have waited for more than 10 years to get in the Union. If the rules are done before the enlargment, there can't be any veto.

The most important is to have the EU Constitution before may 2004!

Skylimit wrote: It will be a free trade zone, and nothing more. The Euro, and also the Euro in the new member states, however, would be a good thing.

I guess the enthousiasm for the euro will be there liks it was in Europe last year. It's the only real symbol of Europe we have.
There will be a new one soon: the European Social Security card...

In Canada, we have a Social Insurance ID, delivered by each Province, but available in all Canada.

Skylimit wrote: I am in for a stronger Europe : Economically, politically & military. This will never be a fact with 28 members who all hold a veto.
In fact, no decision will ever be decided on, ever again.

So am I!
The future constitution is clear on that. The decisions will be taken by majority, no more by unanimity.

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:47 pm

BossaNova wrote:hmm and also St. Miqueleans.. French North Americans..
bn

Yes, true!

There are also south american!

In Guyane!
And what about the people of Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint-Barthélémy, Saint-Martin... ?

BossaNova · Post by **BossaNova** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:51 pm

Olivier wrote:
BossaNova wrote:hmm and also St. Miqueleans.. French North Americans..
bn
Yes, true!

There are also south american! In Guyane!
And what about the people of Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint-Barthélémy, Saint-Martin... ?

recently I read an article that said the majority of St Miqueleans were against the euro, they prefered the franc, because they feel french but not european, since they are North Americans...

bn

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:59 pm

BossaNova wrote:unfortunetly that's true.. more terrorism ---> more fear ----> moer clear election victories

I wonder how will be the european elections of 2004... if it will be on national topics, as usual, or on more european topics...

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:01 pm

BossaNova wrote:
recently I read an article that said the majority of St Miqueleans were against the euro, they prefered the franc, because they feel french but not european, since they are North Americans...

bn

I'd like to read this... do you have a link?

eurobillsandcoins · Post by **eurobillsandcoins** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:30 pm

Olivier I know this is private, but who did you vote for in the elections last year? I stayed in France during the election and since I was still a permanent french citizen I got to vote. I voted Jacques Chirac, I didn't like Le Pen's views.

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:35 pm

eurobillsandcoins wrote: who did you vote for in the elections last year?

Try to guess!

(it's not hard)

eurobillsandcoins · Post by **eurobillsandcoins** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:38 pm

Chirac, right

? Or Le Pen?

eurobillsandcoins · Post by **eurobillsandcoins** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:39 pm

I know its Chirac, I haven't met anyone with common sense who voted Le Pen.

eurobillsandcoins · Post by **eurobillsandcoins** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:40 pm

I know that!!!!

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:40 pm

eurobillsandcoins wrote:Chirac, right ? Or Le Pen?

Chirac, of course!

Skylimit · Post by **Skylimit** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:37 pm

Olivier wrote: I don't agree on it. I thought it first, but I have changed my mind. .

I took the opposite direction. I was very enthousiastic, but with the latest developments, I am pessimistic.
If they take out the veto, we may have something going...

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:46 pm

Skylimit wrote:
Olivier wrote: I don't agree on it. I thought it first, but I have changed my mind. .
I took the opposite direction. I was very enthousiastic, but with the latest developments, I am pessimistic.
If they take out the veto, we may have something going...

They can't keep the veto...
V. Giscard d'Estaing told it several times...