first of all there are several euro-tracking sites, ebt just being one of them (and the biggest)snakefire77 wrote:Creating the .eu site, was actually killing EBT, because it's whole strenght lies in the fact that it's alone...when you have more than one site to track bills you just loose part of the magic and with it you loose most of the people.
second : eurobilltracker.eu is domainname that hase been connecting to a server in finland since april or something. and this is what it still is doing... no new site has been created !
As weird as it may sound, technically, giro stole the database from avij's private property.Maybe it wasn't the nicest thing of Giro to move the site,
The site was on avij's private server, so if giro wanted avij to stop hosting, the only right thing to do would've been asking avij to hand over this data back to him. And avij would've been obliged to hand it over.
as said : he only had the right to ask the data back, not copying them from a private server.but he still is and will always be the founder and as such he has the right to do so.
as said : this domainname exists since months now, as this was a way to protect the domainname being bought by other people for other purposes than ebt.And looking at the actions (creating .eu,
tricky thing, but as giro decided to not give any information to his own community without this action 99% of the users would probably never have known what's going on. Communication doesn't seem to be giro's strongest point.spamming all the users with a one sided email to get them to dump .com for .eu)
i agree only partially.and the comments here on the forum, I can't help but notice that Giro's statement about Avij and Nerzhul has some truth about it. Avij and Nerzhul do act as if they own EBT. And ok they made some very important contributions to EBT, but they did it freely, nobody forced them to do it...as such they have no claim what so ever on EBT. If they didn't like the management, they just should have quit.
Giro left ebt for years and allowed avij and nerzhul to run the site. that was his decision, and he also allowed them to contribute extra features. As this implies the code of ebt is written for a great part (nerzhul claims 85% of the code isn't giro's); giro by his actions made other people co-owners of the code ! He seems to forget this: after his copying the database for the moment on ebt.com there's a code unning in which 85% is written by other people who get no credit at all fo it. And this is an action by a person (giro) who complains in his statement people are not giving crdit to him. it looks he's doing the same to and is not giving crecit to other people.. That's not very fair either, is it ?
this isn't true. by giving permission to change the code, the people who wrote parts of the code gained rights.Everybody knows that when you do voluntary work for someone that you are totaly dependent on the good will of that person to recognize and award you for it, you have no rights unless he gives it and the other way around he can't complain when the work you did was not to his satisfaction.
as said before, the .eu site was newly created.And maybe it was a mistake from Giro to handle the issue in this way, but that didn't have to be followed by an even bigger mistake by Avij and Nerzhul. It is one thing to have a disagreement, it's whole other thing when you drag the whole community into it : which is exactly what Avij and Nerzhul did by creating the .eu and sending the email.
as said before : if giro had communicated better, people who have been informed (i found out what's going on thanks to the people who changed their profile on ebt.com to ebt.eu)
i also thinks it's a very important issue that giro plans to make ebt gain money, as the site clearly stated it's a non-profit site which for me was a condition that had to be fulfilled before entering any notes.
If giro wants to make money from the site, i believe all bills being entered while the non-profit part is mentioned on the site cannot be taken into account for this purpose and have to be deleted..
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